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First Baptist Church of Chapel Hill Service on August 2, 1998 - Part 1

This video, created by Judith Van Wyk, was part of a project by Van Wyk documenting the impact and legacy of the desegregation of Chapel Hill Carrboro City Schools. Courtesy of Judith Van Wyk. Video may not be altered in any way.

 Mary Norwood Jones - on her experience in the band under Mr.Pickard (clip)

BG: What was the band like under Mr. Pickard? MJ: Well, we were getting started and what happened then was that Mr. Pickard would put all of the instruments out on tables and people would go into the room and choose the instrument that they were interested in playing so that everyone would know all…

 Mary Norwood Jones - on college attendance and teacher encouragement (clip)

BG: I wanted to ask you about the football team, what you remember about the football team. MJ: I remember Mr. R. 0. Kornegay was coach of the football team. He coached all athletics. He was my first basketball coach. BG: So he coached boys and girls. MJ: Boys and girls basketball and he coached…

First Baptist Church of Chapel Hill Service on August 2, 1998 - Part 2

This video, created by Judith Van Wyk, was part of a project by Van Wyk documenting the impact and legacy of the desegregation of Chapel Hill Carrboro City Schools. Courtesy of Judith Van Wyk. Video may not be altered in any way.

 Freda Andrews- on the impact her teachers had on her life (clip)

Freda Andrews: The schools were, as I said, full of caring teachers and the reason I chose to be a teacher today or an educator was because of some of those teachers then that taught me and instilled in me that you want to be somebody. So, when you want to be somebody, you have to grow up and watch…

 Freda Andrews - on her work as a remediation specialist (clip)

Freda Andrews (FA): Folk like me, they don’t have to pay us full salary. They hire us to come in and do remediation for a grade level to help them because many of the students don’t do well on the End of Grade tests. We are like a faux tutor in the public schools. We remediate them. I work four days…

 Freda Andrews - On poetry she would always read to her students (clip)

Freda Andrews: I realized that for my children to feel what I felt, I had a couple of poems that I remember the most. I would have them learn and recite. Poems like “Harriet Tubman”.Harriet TubmanDidn’t take no stuffAnd wasn’t afraid of anything either. Didn’t come into in this world to be no…

 Freda Andrews - teaching during the civil rights movement (clip)

Freda Andrews: Everything was like, all the children wanted to do is to grow up and be farmers. They had no aspiration other than that. Drive a big tractor. They could describe that tractor and tell you what it was going to be like because they worked on the farm. That was all they knew. I felt so…

 Freda Andrews - on early experiences teaching and cultural differences (clip)

Freda Andrews (FA): It wasn’t Durham Public Schools, it was Durham City Schools. I had my first teaching job at Fayetteville Street School in Durham. The ironic thing is, about that, as a Black teacher, I had to learn the culture of my own people because of the difference. When I was in Person…

 Betty King - on her first encounters with segregation as she began schooling (clip)

BK: Yeah. And see then, I knew what, got my first taste of segregation mainly was when I started school. RG: Which school? BK: It was Orange County Training School at that time. And that's over there where Northside is now. Same building. OK. The white school was where the Town Hall of Carrboro is.…

 Betty King - on teachers as role models at Orange County Training School (clip)

RG: Do you still remember your teachers from Orange County Training School? BK: I remember, not back too far. I just went to one of them's funeral. She passed. Ruth Hope, I went to her funeral. One teacher, Miss Eziel ? Smith. She was my teacher. There's another one that's still alive and lives in…

 Betty King - on changing the name of Orange County Training School (clip)

RG: When did they change the name Orange County Training School to Northside and Lincoln. BK: When they built Lincoln. No. They changed Orange County Training School, I think, I'm not really sure, I think about 1949, 48-49, somewhere along there. And that was because the parents - we had some…

 Betty King - on opportunities after graduating high school (clip)

RG: Do you have any idea when you graduated, how many went on to get a college degree or started college? BK: Most of them that finished school went on. RG: Went on to college? BK: To college, yes. And a lot of them left Chapel Hill because there was no future for them in Chapel Hill. The only thing…

 Burnice Hackney - on his football coach's influence and impact (clip)

BG: Were there any other things about the football team that you remember that you want to share?  BH: Mainly Coach Peerman the team-. Actually Coach Bradshaw was there and went on to great success. He's also a member of the Hall of Fame. He was there before I got there and before Coach Peerman, but…

 Burnice Hackney - recounts his experience during the integration of Chapel Hill high school (clip)

BG: You had mentioned that you learned either late in the school term or during the summer that you were going to go to Chapel Hill High and you had some feelings about that that were just expressed to me while we were changing the tapes. BH: Right. My personal preference of course being a senior…

 Burnice Hackney - on his educational experience post-integration (clip)

BG: Did you feel that you were treated the same as a student as the white teachers as the whites were treated when you went Chapel Hill High in '66? BH: I don't have a recollection of being treated differently, it's just maybe a sense of identifying with their teacher or the teacher identifying with…

 Charlene Smith - reflects on her teachers at Northside elementary (clip)

RG: Are there any other memories of your childhood that stand out in your mind? CS: No, I think you just kind of accept things as they are, and you don't question them or really see the value until you move on to another stage. Then you can see the importance of what you did have, and what we had,…

 Charlene Smith - on her teachers providing mental health support (clip)

RG: Well, let's graduate from Northside - not Orange County Training School - and go on to Lincoln. I may repeat some of the same kinds of questions, but I want to understand what you remember about the characteristics of the teachers at Lincoln. CS: The characteristics that I remember of - the…

 Charlene Smith - on her experience at school while her father was principal (clip)

RG: Was it difficult for you at the high school, with your dad as principal? CS: Probably, yeah, (laughter) Eyes always on me. RG: Eyes always on you. CS: Yeah. RG: Did you think you got special treatment, or tougher treatment, or the same as everybody else? CS: I didn't get special treatment. And I…

 Charlene Smith - on her parents monumental impact on education in Chapel Hill (clip)

RG: What is it that, what are the contributions that your mother made that allowed a school to be named after her? CS: Just the longevity of teaching in this community as long she did. RG: 1932 till — CS: What was it, I know they had taught over 60-some years in this particular community together,…

 Clarke Egerton - on being a music educator and leading a band (clip)

RG: So you graduated North Carolina College in - CE: '55. '56. RG: '55. '56. And then you were at John R. Hawkins High School? CE: Warrenton - it was John R. Hawkins High School, it was called John R. Hawkins, in Warrenton, North Carolina. And that year was my first year doing band. So I had the…

 Clarke Egerton - on his busy schedule as an educator and active community member (clip)

CE: And there again, even with the band that I was working with, again I had the safety patrol, and I had a homeroom, and then they had the Maydays, which you are responsible for. And I was also the junior class advisor, which means that I had to be responsible for getting the junior prom together.…

 Clarke Egerton - on the importance of music education (clip)

RG: Did you feel that the students gained more than a musical education from being in the band? CE: Oh certainly. There are so many lessons to be learned being in the band situation, because you work together as a family, and so many of those students that I taught actually looked to me as their…

 Clarke Egerton - on the success of the Lincoln High School marching band (clip)

RG: You know I hear so many people comment to me about how wonderful the marching band was. And you've touched a little bit on moving the instruments, maybe high stepping. Can you describe a little bit more what a parade was like for the Lincoln High School marching band? CE: Oh that was the top…